DISCLAIMER: I am a member of Tom Emmer’s Steering Committee.
During Monday’s livechat, Marty Seifert was asked this question:
I have heard some talk about your views on cap and trade, that you would not vote for that…but how come you voted for an energy bill while serving in the state legislature?
Here’s Mr. Seifert’s response:
Marty Seifert: The energy bill you are referring to was not a cap and trade bill. 39 of 49 House Republicans voted for the bill, including Rep. Emmer’s supporters Laura Brod and Matt Dean. I am not for cap and trade any more than those two solid Republicans are. Governor Pawlenty negotiated this bill which started out much worse than the final product. My energy plan is to lift the nuclear moratorium and expand affordable energy choices. I am absolutely opposed to any cap and trade scheme.
I wanted to gather some information on M-RETS before forming an opinion so I did some research into M-RETS, (which stands for Midwest Renewable Energy Tracking System). Here’s one of the first tidbits of information I found out about M-RETS:
The Midwest Renewable Energy Tracking System (M-RETS) tracks renewable energy generation in participating States and Provinces and assists in verifying compliance with individual state/provincial or voluntary Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) and objectives. M-RETS is an important tool to keep track of all relevant information about renewable energy produced and delivered in the region.
Currently, several States and Provinces participate in M-RETS: Illinois, Iowa, Manitoba, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin have policies in place requiring or strongly encouraging utility development of renewable resources. Additional States and Provinces in the region are expected to join M-RETS after launch. M-RETS uses verifiable production data for all participating generators and creates a Renewable Energy Credit (REC) in the form of a tradable digital certificate for each MWh.
In other words, the legislation authorizes the tracking of how much reneewable energy is being generated and the creation of something called a renewable energy credit. This sounded suspiciously similar to the carbon credits that will be traded if Cap and Trade is ever enacted so I contacted an expert in the energy field. This expert said that this type of infrastructure could turn out to be a preliminary step towards establishing a Cap and Trade program.
To be fair, this expert said that establishing a Cap and Trade program isn’t a guarantee. During this exchange, it was confirmed that this legislation isn’t about reducing greenhouse gas emissions, just about increasing renewable energy production.
The next logical step, I was told, was enacting legislation mandating a certain level of renewable energy production. While that might sound good, the reality is that renewable energy is significantly more expensive than energy created by coal-fired or nuclear power plants.
According to this website, there are some benchmarks that they want to achieve. Here’s a couple of interesting tidbits of information that should be considered:
The standard for Xcel Energy requires that eligible renewable electricity account for 30% of total retail electricity sales (including sales to retail customers of a distribution utility to which Xcel Energy provides wholesale service) in Minnesota by 2020. Of the 30% renewables required of Xcel Energy in 2020, “at least” 25% must be generated by wind-energy or solar energy systems, with solar limited to no more than 1% of the requirement. The solar provision was added by S.B. 550 in May 2009. In effect, this means that the wind standard is at least 24%, solar may contribute up to 1%, and the “remaining” 5% may be generated using other eligible technologies.
In other words, if legislation passes that changes the goals to mandates, Minnesotans’ utility bills will significantly increase. It’s important to remember that this isn’t about controlling greenhouse gas emissions, though the activists that push Cap and Trade are the activists that pushed this legislation through.
Finally, Seifert’s mention that Matt Dean and Laura Brod voted for this legislation is irrelevant. First, this is about the voting decision Marty Seifert made as opposed to the voting decision Tom Emmer made. In this instance, Tom Emmer voted against more expensive energy bills for Minnesota’s taxpayers. Second, according to the House Journal’s recording of the final vote, Matt Dean voted against the final passage of the bill along with Bruce Anderson, Mark Buesgens, Chris DeLaForest, Mary Liz Holberg, Paul Kohls, Mark Olson, Ron Shimanski and Kurt Zellers.
The information in this paragraph can’t be ignored:
Utilities are required to file annual compliance reports with the PUC detailing their retail sales, REC retirements, and REC trading activities. If the PUC finds a utility is noncompliant, the commission may order the utility to construct facilities, purchase eligible renewable electricity, purchase RECs or engage in other activities to achieve compliance. If a utility fails to comply, the PUC may impose a financial penalty on the utility in an amount not to exceed the estimated cost of achieving compliance. The penalty may not exceed the lesser of the cost of constructing facilities or purchasing credits and proceeds must be deposited into a special account reserved for energy and conservation improvements. The PUC is authorized to modify or delay the implementation of the standards if the commission determines it is in the public interest to do so.
I’d love hearing Mr. Seifert explain how this mandate is substantially different from a cap and trade system. Specifically, I’d like to know whether this isn’t just another way to wean us from fossil fuels.
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Well, you have convinced me, Gary.
Siefert has a better head on his shoulders.
Emmer wants to continue shipping wealth to middle east tinder box states with oil in the ground.
Or to rip up Wyoming to create fly ash and acid rain problems east of Wyoming.
Siefert wants something better, you say.
Okay, I believe it. Siefert’s the better choice and Sutton says, thanks.
Comment by eric z. • 09Feb2010 @ 6:02 am
I guess you’ll never hear him explain that. It’s all corrupted.
“If the PUC finds a utility is noncompliant,…” and trust me, they certainly will.
Comment by Green Tips • 09Feb2010 @ 1:31 pm
So what you’re saying is that, even though you want this to be about cap and trade you couldn’t make a connection without a bunch of “if this happens” conjecture it *could* help a *future* c/t bill.
I am so disappointed in Emmer supporters. In an attempt to find differences they’re turning to simply making stuff up. The fact is, a whole list of very conservative House Republicans voted for this who’d never support a real cap and trade bill. If this bill - granted, not a perfect bill - had even the whiff of being a cap and trade bill not one of them, including Seifert, would have supported it.
It’s sad but I’m starting to see a dishonest streak in Emmer and his supporters with this made up “issue”.
Comment by Average Joe • 10Feb2010 @ 8:52 am
Joe, If you ever make the accusation that I’ve been dishonest without presenting proof again, I’ll ban you from this site. What I said is accurate because it’s based on what’s posted on the relevant parties’ websites, including the State of Minnesota website.
It isn’t that I have a problem with people voting differently than myself. It’s that I don’t much like it when people won’t defend their taking an unpopular vote.
Comment by Gary Gross • 10Feb2010 @ 9:05 am
Bravo, Gary! Thank you for sharing the truth! (And why does Seifert feel compelled to bring Rep. Matt Dean into this?)
Comment by Cindy • 10Feb2010 @ 1:28 pm
Gary, you are a big supporter of Laura Brod. If she ran for Governor, would you be hatcheting her like Marty Seifert, since she voted the same way he did?
Marty Seifert is a solid, conservative leader and after reading many good items on your blog, I have to say that this is disappointing. You are being used by the Emmer campaign to smear a good man over one single vote.
It looks like the only way Emmer can win is to bend the truth and trash Marty Seifert. Answer me this: did 39 House Republicans including great people like Brod, Severson, and Gottwalt vote for Cap and Trade when they voted for that bill?! Yes or No.
Comment by John Anderson • 10Feb2010 @ 1:54 pm
John, When did pointing out differences turn into smearing someone? This wasn’t a personal attack. That’s my definition of smearing someone.
Yes, I’m a fan of Laura Brod’s. She’s a great legislator, as are Dan Severson & Steve Gottwalt. I simply disagreed with their votes this time.
When I disagree with Marty, I’ll point that out. I won’t attack Marty on a personal basis because I agree with you. Marty is a good guy. I just prefer Tom over Marty.
Comment by Gary Gross • 10Feb2010 @ 2:03 pm
I like how the Seifert supporters don’t actually dispute the substance, they just try to change the subject.
Here are the facts: The Next Generation Energy Act, which Seifert championed and voted for, imposed renewable energy mandates on utilities. This is another way of saying that it “capped” the percentage of energy that utilities could produce from proven energy sources like coal, oil, and natural gas.
It then created a “trading” system of renewable energy credits that utilities could use to buy and sell.
Sure sounds a lot like cap and trade to me. The only difference is that the federal cap and trade legislation places caps on the total amount of carbon emissions and the Seifert-backed Next Generation Energy Act places caps on the percentage of energy produced by fossil fuels. But they have the same effect.
Bottom line, when Seifert says “I am absolutely opposed to any cap and trade scheme,” he needs to explain whether he’s changed his mind since he voted for, and advocated for, the Next Generation Energy Act.
Comment by Gipper • 10Feb2010 @ 4:26 pm
Here’s the bill, for those of you who have been misled by Seifert: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/getpub.php?type=law&year=2007&sn=0&num=3
Comment by Gipper • 10Feb2010 @ 4:35 pm
Doesn’t anyone see a lack of leadership in the approach Seifert is using to try to make it seem better that he voted for cap and trade. It is an approach common to what happens when children get caught doing something bad … “well, they did it too.”
In fact, it is that type of behavior that we too often in politics which has gotten Republicans into trouble by simply following along rather than standing on principle. That is not leadership. Any candidate who tries to use what others did to explain their own actions is a follower, not a leader and that is not someone we need as governor.
Seifert might want to let the whole whisper campaign and childish antics go and focus on something that matters. Seifert is not being attacked, his votes are being questioned. Lets all move on.
Comment by W.J. • 10Feb2010 @ 10:41 pm