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Traitor Mullah Murtha Enemy Mouth Piece…

MURTHA is an UN-AMERICAN pig who uses his prior service as a shield to cover his lies and undermining of another generation of soldiers who are more man than he will ever be. Don’t forget - this old coot is a member of Code Pink too. When Murtha dies,…

Trackback by Theodore's World • 18May2006 @ 12:15 am

shitty write up and you are wrong - any marine that has wasted an innocent civilian will have to live with the damage they have done - to what end - are they or we any safer because these women and children died at their hands?

Murtha is doing what he thinks he should to protect America and the Corps/Military

how dare you - shame….

Comment by Christhughes • 18May2006 @ 12:55 am

I find it incredible that an apparently sentient being approves of war crimes, massacres of unarmed civilians, including women and children, and advocates excoriating and punishing an American patriot who feels this sort of behavior is beyond the pale for a civilized society. I’d be very surprised to learn that you are a combat veteran. I would also be surprised to learn that you have ever served in the military.

People who have actually served, and served in combat, understand how disgraceful incidents like this are. Apparently you’re unable to comprehend that treatment like this imperils our own troops.

Comment by Lurch • 18May2006 @ 6:15 am

Good for Murtha for saying something. Unfortunately this will either get pushed under the rug, or a couple of enlisted men will get slaps on the wrist, just like at Abu Ghraib.

Comment by Gus • 18May2006 @ 8:24 am

I suspect alot isn’t a word.

Comment by Pinko Punko • 18May2006 @ 10:58 am

Murtha’s basing his comments on the Marines’ own investigation, you idiot. It was the Marines’ investigation - not Murtha - that said that the Marines’ initial account (that the townspeople had been killed by an IED) was patently false. It was the Marines’ own investigation that pointed to photos of the townspeople killed execution-style from point blank range. And it’s the Marines’ own investigation that led to the officers immediately responsible to be relieved of their duties and the matter treated as a criminal investigation. Look it up, and STFU. Murtha’s just the messenger, and unlike you, he knows what it’s like first hand.

Chickenhawk.

Comment by chuck • 18May2006 @ 12:42 pm

[Murtha's] latest pack of lies

how do you know they were lies? were you there? did you see the data gathered from the investigation as murtha has?

frankly, your entire argument rests on the assumption that murtha is wrong and yet you don’t say a single thing to contradict his account of what happened. the fact that you so quickly rush to declare him a traitor.

enjoy all the attention, quite a bit of it is from people who cannot believe someone would declare a congressman a traitor simply because of what he said and when what he said could actually be factually correct. honestly, when i read the excepts of your post printed elsewhere i assumed it was some kind of parody.

you have proved one thing though, just how unhinged a lot of right-wing bloggers have become.

Comment by upyernoz • 18May2006 @ 2:23 pm

On Nov. 20, U.S. Marines spokesman Capt. Jeffrey Pool issued a statement saying that on the previous day a roadside bomb had killed 15 civilians and a Marine. In a later gunbattle, U.S. and Iraqi troops killed eight insurgents, he said.

U.S. military officials later confirmed that the version of events was wrong. read: THEY LIED

Military officials say Marine Corp photos taken immediately after the incident show many of the victims were shot at close range, in the head and chest, execution-style. One photo shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer, shot dead, said the officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity because the investigation hasn’t been completed.

One military official says it appears the civilians were deliberately killed by the Marines, who were outraged at the death of their fellow Marine.

“This one is ugly,” one official told NBC News.

So riddle me this wingnuts…where do you get off attacking John Murtha. You who were born without spines are not in the same league as a man like Murtha. I know you think you’re tough and macho and all perched there over your keyboards with your decaf non-fat lattes at arm’s reach, but really you’re just a bunch of weasles who are too jelly-livered to face the hellish reality that your party has created. You will all go to your deaths believing that it is “somebody elses fault.” Pathetic.

Comment by Scalia's Robes • 18May2006 @ 2:39 pm

Let’s see. John Murtha left college to sign up for service in the Korean War. As an enlisted Marine was selected as a Drill Instructor. Was selected to go to Marine Officer Basic School and commissioned a Marine Officer.After Active duty, served in the Reserves. Volunteer to go on active duty and serve a tour in Vietnam, where he was awarded the Bronze Star w/V for Valor, and the Purple Heart. Has served in Congress as a conservative Democrat for many years, is the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee. He is know as an expert in Congress on military subjects, and has the trust and gets feed back from Officers and enlisted men in the field. As anyone who goes thru Marine training, and stays in the Corps for 30 years, he loves the Marine Corps.

OTOH, we have the poster of this thread, id’ed as Gary Gross. Couldnt find a bio here or at California Conservative. Does not back up his assertion that John Murtha is a tratior with any facts, only his opinion.

Until the investigation is completed and reported to the American public, This Veteran of 5 years active Duty in the US Army as an infantry officer will believe Congressman Murtha, and not some shill, no facts, obviously in the tank for the Bush administration hack.

I think any other rational being would agree.

“You can have an opinion, but you cant have your own facts”

Any questions??

Comment by Jack • 18May2006 @ 3:59 pm

“We cannot build a unified country by inciting people to anger, or playing on anyone’s fears, or exploiting the issue of immigration for political gain. We must always remember that real lives will be affected by our debates and decisions, and that every human being has dignity and value no matter what their citizenship papers say.”

–President Bush, 3 days ago.

just saying.

Comment by mdhatter • 18May2006 @ 4:29 pm

Wow, Beth.

The hate is to call a person who served as a Marine for 30 years a traitor.

The Hate is to excuse the unneeded deaths of civilians as OK.

By the way, I dont think any poster disagreeing with Mr Gross is afraid of him.

We are just in awe of how, with NO facts to back him up, he automatically calls a combat veteran with a Bronze Star for Valor, and the Purple Heart for wounds recieved in combat a traitor.

Check that. Not awe. Disgust. We have NO indication that Mr Gross knows anything about this issue, other than he will automatically defend the administration and it’s failed policies.

Tell me Beth, If the shoe was on the other foot, and Radical Islamists had occupied your town, and on patrol, our partisans had succedded in killing one of them, what would you feel when your neighbors are slaughtered by out of control invaders, maddened by mind numbing, soul numbing day after day of being shot at and blown up by our attacks, so that they loose all control and start shooting civilians? That they kill the nice young woman with the baby that lives next door to you, and the baby too? That they shoot up your house, toss a few grenades in, and wound you and kill members of your family?

Look up empathy, Beth. Or are you one of the sociopaths that seem to be so common on the right wing that care only about their ideology and THEIR vision of the world and how it should be, and are willing to lie, cheat, and even kill to get what they want. Because they cannot even recognize that other humans have feelings and rights. Because they consider other people just pawns in their games for power and wealth. Just as long as they or their family dosnt get killed.

Most people that become soldiers do so because they want to protect their country, the things about the country that are right. I know thats why I served, and I am sure that’s why John Murtha served.

And when incidents like this one happen, it is sicking for what we as American soldiers aspire to uphold.. the Constitution, basic fairness for all, to protect and save the weak, as we did in WWII, and save mankind from evil. Yes, you have to do violent and destructive things to win a war, but killing unarmed civilians is not one of them and stains our national character. And will surely haunt those young men the rest of their lives.

Comment by Jack • 18May2006 @ 10:03 pm

And another logical point..

Do you seriously think a politician, a Congressman with decades of experience, is simply going to go out on a limb with an unverified story of such an atrocity?

Due to his long service on the Defense committees, Mr Murtha has deep sources in the military coumunity. He must have the facts of the case from Navy/Marine Corps insiders. There is no way someone with his experience is going to LIE to the National Media on something like this. What would be the advantage?? There is only a downside to publicize this, even if it is true, because people like you and Mr. Goss are going to attack him for it, no matter how true it is. You’ll say, for the good of the war effort, we must suppress such reports, they will hurt us in world opinion, hurt the morale of the troops, we simply MUST lie about it. Or kill the story.

So you try to kill the messenger of the truth.

Usually, you folks of the right claim to be Christian, although you often have a rather unusual way of following the teachings of Jesus. I seem to recall one of my favorite Bible verses is “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free..” We need to know the truth about this war, even when that truth is uncomfortable and demoralizing. If you are going to make positive change, you have to start with the truth, else you have built your house on shifting sand. Another biblical reference, no?

In closing, why not read the Sermon on the Mount, Beth.

Nothing in there about killing your enemies women and children. Seems to me it says that the peacemakers are blessed….

Comment by Jack • 18May2006 @ 10:18 pm

Thank you, Jack. We snark, but you took the time to write how I think we all feel.

Comment by Pinko Punko • 19May2006 @ 12:59 am

i will only ask one thing. that people think for a minute. remember afer 9/11 when bush said to go about our daily lives and do what we usually do? go to movies, go shopping, etc. if we stop doing those things then the terrorists win. well, it appears to me that they have. this administration wants to “swift boat” anyone who speaks contrary to what they say. mr. murtha is a decorated marine. why would he make up these stories about his own family? (being a former marine with a son in the marines i do not want to believe it either) given the fact that this is first an illegal war of aggression and that the military is stretched to the breaking point, there are still people out there who want to shoot the messenger. bush wants us to give up essential liberties so he can wage his never ending war on “terra”, they expect us to let them ride roughshod over the piece of paper that makes us a democracy. the u.s. constitution. when we let our own government take our rights away from us willingly, then the terrorists have most certainly won. mr. murtha is not a traitor. the administration is and all those who support their dictatorial agenda. when we voluntarily give up those rights given to us, paid for by so much blood then the terrorists have won. when we try to stifle dissent, the terrorists have won. wake up people and think for yourselves.

Comment by fubar04 • 19May2006 @ 5:06 pm

Sigh….Are you going to indict House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), as a traitor, too, and demand that he be hauled off to prison and held without bail? Friday, he held a press conference saying that the actual civilian death toll would probably be 24 lives — and echoing Murtha’s charge that the Marines initially lied about the cause of the deaths. This is what Hunter said: “The initial reports, obviously, that came up through the command didn’t . . . tell the story,” Hunter said. And he called for a Congressional investigation to boot.

What both of these Congressmen are doing is TELLING THE TRUTH. You get that? You’re objecting to THEM TELLING THE TRUTH — which leaves you with zero, zip, zilch credibility. You’re a hopeless tool…..

Comment by Art Mofodopoulis • 19May2006 @ 9:47 pm

Fuck you

Comment by jane doe • 20May2006 @ 2:08 am

well what about an apology from you fascist idiots. so now that some of the scales have fallen from your eyes what do you think ofd the criminal enterprise called iraq now!

Comment by barry • 26May2006 @ 8:12 am

A military investigation into the deaths of two dozen Iraqis last November is expected to find that a small number of marines in western Iraq carried out extensive, unprovoked killings of civilians, Congressional, military and Pentagon officials said Thursday.

Two lawyers involved in discussions about individual marines’ defenses said they thought the investigation could result in charges of murder, a capital offense. That possibility and the emerging details of the killings have raised fears that the incident could be the gravest case involving misconduct by American ground forces in Iraq.

Officials briefed on preliminary results of the inquiry said the civilians killed at Haditha, a lawless, insurgent-plagued city deep in Sunni-dominated Anbar Province, did not die from a makeshift bomb, as the military first reported, or in cross-fire between marines and attackers, as was later announced. A separate inquiry has begun to find whether the events were deliberately covered up.

Evidence indicates that the civilians were killed during a sustained sweep by a small group of marines that lasted three to five hours and included shootings of five men standing near a taxi at a checkpoint, and killings inside at least two homes that included women and children, officials said.

That evidence, described by Congressional, Pentagon and military officials briefed on the inquiry, suggested to one Congressional official that the killings were “methodical in nature.”

Comment by American Patriot • 26May2006 @ 10:39 am

Ahem…

Military to Report Marines Killed Iraqi Civilians

Care to respond, or will you just hope it goes away?

Comment by chickenhawk • 26May2006 @ 12:38 pm

Yes - let the person who made these slanderous statements against a decorated marine come out of anonymity and publically apologize. Be a man.

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Comment by rico gutierrez • 30May2006 @ 11:21 am

The reason we seem to be losing this war is because you “Lbs” want us to lose. From the onslaught of this campaign, we have been told on a daily basis, how wrong this war is and how awful Abu Grab was. Day in and Day out, but when an innocent American was beheaded, if you didn’t catch it on the evening news, you never heard about it.
Do any of you realize hoe those beheadings were performed? The Sliced into the neck of the person, slowly sawing away and we the American people were lead to believe it was one quick chop. It was one quick chop alright, a chop that lasts 3 full minutes.
I really hope more of our “Liberal” reporters overt there die. It serves them right for misleading us.

Remember Vietnam was a Liberals War.

Comment by Libby • 30May2006 @ 7:44 pm

Libby, you would fit in well with the insurgents. It’s a shame you weren’t able to join them so you could act out your cruelty more frely. It must really suck to be part of a civiized nation, and to back a responsible military, one which is held accountable for its actions. If only you had been so fortunate as to be born a muslim, then you could act oput your fantasies and murder a liberal yourself. You could even do it slowly, say by cutting someone’s head off for 3 minutes straight. And if all goes well, you could even get it on the news. So, everyone could witness what lies in your bloodthirsy and murderous heart.

Comment by None of your business • 01Jun2006 @ 2:40 am

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Pingback by Let Freedom Ring » Blog Archive » Rep. Murtha Running For Cover • 11Jul2007 @ 10:18 am

[...] Filed Under: Blogging, Military, Iraq, Author: Gary Gross, Intel, Corruption Over the course of the weekend, I came to realize that creating a detailed timeline on when Murtha made his various allegations would help highlight his ‘misstatements. The first dot in the timeline is Murtha’s categorical declaration that the Haditha Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood.” He made that accusation on May 17, 2006: Rep. John Murtha, an influential Pennsylvania lawmaker and outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, said today Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood” after allegedly responding to a roadside bomb ambush that killed a Marine during a patrol in Haditha, Iraq, Nov. 19. The incident is still under investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and Multi-National Forces Iraq. ———- “It’s much worse than was reported in Time magazine,” Murtha, a Democrat, former Marine colonel and Vietnam war veteran, told reporters on Capitol Hill. “There was no firefight. There was no [bomb] that killed those innocent people,” Murtha explained, adding there were “about twice as many” Iraqis killed than Time had reported. [...]

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[...] When the FBI found $90,000 in marked bills in William Jefferson’s freezer, the Black Caucus protected him. When John Murtha was caught up in Abscam, the Democrats protected him. After John Murtha accused the Haditha Marines of cold-blooded murder, Nancy Pelosi endorsed him to be the House Majority Leader. Republicans familiar with the situation told CNN that Otter supported Lt. Gov. Jim Risch to replace Craig but would wait to make an announcement. [...]

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[...] One down, hundreds to go. Yet another GOP senator steps down in the wake of a scandel, while dozens of Dems in the same situation refuse. via California Conservative on Sat.: This morning, Sen. Larry Craig announced his resignation from the U.S. Senate. His resignation is effective Sept. 30, 2007. “The people of Idaho deserve a senator who can devote 100 percent of his time and effort to the critical issues of our state and of our nation,” said Craig, speaking under a clear blue sky at 10:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET) outside the historic Boise Depot in Idaho’s capital city. “Therefore it is with sadness and deep regret that I announce that it is my intent to resign from the Senate, effective September 30th.” I won’t pretend that there haven’t been corrupt GOP politicians. To do that would be to destroy my credibility. That said, it’s interesting to note that Democrats do nothing when their politicians are exposed as corrupt. When the FBI found $90,000 in marked bills in William Jefferson’s freezer, the Black Caucus protected him. When John Murtha was caught up in Abscam, the Democrats protected him. After John Murtha accused the Haditha Marines of cold-blooded murder, Nancy Pelosi endorsed him to be the House Majority Leader. Republicans familiar with the situation told CNN that Otter supported Lt. Gov. Jim Risch to replace Craig but would wait to make an announcement. Craig’s resignation makes it unlikely that Democrats would be able to win this seat in 2008. Had this come out a month before the election, a la Mark Foley, I wouldn’t have been this confident. If Risch keeps his nose clean, then he’s got a strong shot at winning in 2008.   Published Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:55 AM by Splittfinger [...]

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